Reading FC 3 Manchester United 4

Got to give you credit, there. Your punctuation and spelling, (well, apart from the Your thing) is remarkably good, considering the wine thing. Well done.

ray northstander
10/12/2012 at 09:19

I'd certainly need a drink to tolerate you. Did you travel to Southampton for the game? Still, early days, eh.

Contradiction? Me? I'll take your latest poor effort as an admission of failure.

Schoolboy? Your not one of Jimmy Saville's mates?

Troll? Now what did I say about projection. Keep up!

Michael Duberry's Defensive Coach
09/12/2012 at 02:47

You've been on the pop again, haven't you ? You really are turning contradicting yourself into an artform. Well done.

Keep on trolling, schoolboy.

ray northstander
08/12/2012 at 07:41

Intelligance operative? You seem to be rather insecure. Were you bullied at school?

I'll leave the mistakes and constant factual errors to you. Seems to be a bit of a speciality. High horse? Classic example of projection again.

Using capitals is a sign of chronic self importance. Just though you should be aware. Have you considered seeking professional help. It may be of benefit to you. You seem a bit, well, unbalanced.

If someone makes a statement which you agree with it must be the absolute truth. If they contradict you, then they're witholding information? Brilliant work! Just admit your mistakes, there's no shame in being wrong, although you are an habitual offender in this regard.

What's all this 'ha, ha' business? Are you suffering a breakdown?

I note that you haven't addressed your previous comments which could be construed as racist. Anything you'd like to share on that topic? Probably best you avoid that one, don't you think? I fear that 'I know what you are' in that particular area.

I feel a bit sorry for you (only a bit, mind). After all, why enter into a battle of wits when you're clearly devoid of ammunition?

Michael Duberry's Defensive Coach
08/12/2012 at 02:14

Looks like events are going to overtake you. "we won't be signing anyone to improve the side in January" Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA

Here we go again. On the one hand, you sit on your high horse, late on Wednesday night, stating that the club "is not telling us the whole story". 35 hours later, you've switched high horses, implying that I think Brian is lying, because obviously what he says to sky is gospel. You should be a politician. Facing both ways at once. Ha Ha Ha Ha HA

What has outlay got to do with league position? Are WBA out spending Chelsea now?

1 win in 13 games. Bad start does not necessarily mean a bad rest, (that's 2/3rds of it), season. Comprende?

It actually just boils down to a person who is VERY selective in their use of data, does not provide evidence to back their assertions up, then resorts to judgmental insults as a way of avoiding answering them.

You don't know if I'm an intelligence operative, but I know what you are.

ray northstander
07/12/2012 at 15:57

Relax. Or are you still under cover?

BM has re-stated the same information (Sky), reference loan signings being the only likely additions (if the finance is available). Are you suggesting he's being economical with the truth?

Just see who arrives here in January (not long to wait) and compare our outlay with our immediate rivals over the two transfer windows (Summer and January). It's really not difficult.

All fed the same information? Agreed. 1 win in 13 games. Can you grasp/interpret that!?

Ultimately it boils down to one simple fact - you have absolutely no football opinions whatsoever. You've also revealed yourself to be a gigantic snob. Also, I'm not convinced by your feeble excuse concerning identification of black players. Perhaps, you're something else, as well?

Michael Duberry's Defensive Coach
07/12/2012 at 10:26

I can't understand why you're now banging on about "believing the club's PR machine" or how gifted Mr. Shorey is.

The last, what, 8 posts of mine have mostly been challenging your interpretation of the data available.

And therein, is the crux. Interpretation.

The odd whisper may leak out of the club, but by and large, we are all fed the same data that is carefully processed by the club. We all know it is.

However, you can't have the same argument both ways. It is perverse to quote the manager, in a radio interview, stating that he won't have much money to spend in January, call that the gospel truth, then cite it as a reason as to how the club is likely to throw away its Prem status, and then pour scorn on other club utterances. That's selective use of data to back your opinion. Do you really think that Brian would talk "off the record" with a BBC microphone in front of him?

Your problem, sir, is that you can't grasp the concept that people interpret information differently.

Most people (even me) know someone who knows someone, yada yada. Thanks for the anecdotes, though.

I'm still waiting for you to produce the numbers, sources, etc. to back up your knowledge about how big our transfer budget is, our wage bill, and how you know these figures for all the other Prem clubs.

ray northstander
07/12/2012 at 09:20

Your cover?!!! Agent Joe Pistone, is that you? Nice attempt to salvage the situation with the old 'deliberate mistake' claim.

If your not able to spot that Nicky Shorey is our most technically gifted player, for example, you're struggling.

Your problem is you always believe the PR.

I know several ex-pro footballers, (only one is still directly involved). I've seen them interviewed during their careers. What 'pros' say to the media and their real opinions, which are often expressed in less than complimentary language, are worlds apart. Read between the lines.

I've even been present when one player, now a manager (not BM, I assure you), was giving his views concerning the training techniques and tactical knowledge of his then manager (in front of a number of amused spectators). Personally I felt he was out of order, particularly with some of the observations he threw in, for good measure, about certain team mates).

I recall being at Elm Pk with a friend who was sponsoring the match. Present was an ex-international (unavailable for selection due to a 2 match suspension), who between consuming vast quantities of alcohol, and signing the odd autograph for kids, was loudly rubbishing his former manager and describing that club's chairman unfavourably. Three days later he appeared on TV praising his 'top class' former manager. Go figure.

Finally, on the same evening a club employee (no longer at RFC, I should add) was happy to 'share' information (no idea if any of it was remotely accurate) about current players attitudes, former players greed and the honesty of a number of people 'in the game'. He appeared to have, ahem, enjoyed a cool drink himself, or otherwise was just very relaxed. My mates elderly father had to scrape his jaw off the floor.

Am I cynical? Yes, guilty as charged, but I'm not gullible enough to believe all club statements and information as being 'the whole story'. In this regard, Reading are no different from other clubs.

Michael Duberry's Defensive Coach
05/12/2012 at 23:47

....And the last point. Sometimes, when one wants a reaction, you need to provoke one.

I will share this with you, and it blows my cover, so to speak. There are some who post on here who are fans of other clubs. They purport to be Reading fans, but the reality is that they are just trying to foster antipathy within the fanbase, in the hope that it will destabilise the club. They want failure here.

A way of smoking them out is to put the odd curved ball in, and then see who spots them. It is revealing that only you spotted the HRK gaffe. No one else. Nobody has questioned how Gunnarsson could have made his debut when Branfoot was the manager.

ray northstander
05/12/2012 at 17:08

1. The monicker. Only you can know why you chose your monicker, which implies some kind of professional connection with football. That in itself could easily be disregarded, but when you factor in your compulsion to correct other posters on here, and add in your sage-like observations about individual player performances, formations, and the like and surely even you can see where a delusional impression is given. I know better than you do, if you will.

2. There's nothing wrong with being forkies, or retail workers or any other job. Put it this way, most people, say, if they have an electrical fault, will consult an electrician. That electrician is most likely to provide a solution to your electrical problem. However, whilst fixing your electrics, if you were to ask him how we might solve the deficit crisis within the eurozone, all he can offer is an opinion, not professional advice.

3. "Average one win every three months" So you have concluded that Reading will have only three wins come May ? Behave yourself. It's a schoolyard extrapolation.

4. "particularly when you have the smallest budget" Put up or shut up. What is Norwich's transfer budget? Wigan's? Spurs? Everton's? QPR's? need I go on? What is Reading's? How does it relate to all the others? Thought so. You are voicing an opinion, and dressing it up as fact.

5. The professional set up is doing it's damnest to turn things around after an indifferent start to the campaign. The key word here is *start*. There is still 2/3 of the season to go. To recycle the analogy given previously, to judge the workings of the professional set up only 1/3 of the way through the season is exactly the same as deciding on the eventual outcome of a football match after 30 minutes, knees jerking uncontrollably as you leave the stadium

ray northstander
05/12/2012 at 17:00

You genuinely think my monicker implies I coach footballers? Deluded doesn't come close.

It's enlightening to see that you clearly believe fork lift truck operators and shop workers are worthy of your contempt. Now that is arrogance beyond belief. Clearly an ocean going snob with delusions of grandeur.

You may recall that I praised BM for performing a virtual miracle in gaining promotion. Was I entitled to that view?

The problem is that all clubs have professional football staff. Ultimately, some are better than others and if you average one win every 3 months you're liable to struggle, particularly when you have the smallest budget.

BM also said that his budget hadn't yet been confirmed, so how's that professional set up working?

Leaving the ground after 30 minutes? Haven't we aready established that you can't identify players in the team you purport to support?

If you have no football opinions, can't identify the players, aren't sure which division we're playing in and can't always indentify the manager then can you be classed as a football fan, or more realistically are you Mini Me to the club's weak PR?

Michael Duberry's Defensive Coach
05/12/2012 at 09:06

Blimey, do I have to draw pictures for you? This club has always played its cards very close to its chest with regard to transfers. The example you quoted regarding Tommy Smith was not "The Club" doing its business through the media. It was Rodgers shooting his mouth off. "The club" were not happy about it. This is not me claiming insider knowledge, it is common knowledge.

The board set the budgets, and then the "football" people, headed by Nick Hammond, in concert with the team manager, decide how to use that budget. In a recent radio interview, McDermott confirmed this, and confided with the interviewer that AZ has indeed suggested players, but Brian stressed that the final decision remained his. This is not me claiming insider knowledge, it is in the public domain.

I was not insulting Alan Pardew. I was insulting people like you. The picture I was painting was of someone who uses a monicker implying that they coach pro footballers. That monicker in itself betrays the arrogance. Someone who possibly drives a forklift, or works in John Lewis. Someone with exactly zero years experience in pro football. Someone, who because they sit in a seat and watch, have somehow got an insight into how the team should be playing, who should be playing, how the club should be run, how much of his own money the chairman should be spending.

Opinions are great, and football is full of them. We'd all like to see Reading doing well in the top tier. We'd all like to see pretty football. However, this is the real world, and Brian has to make use of what he has available. Brian worked wonders to get us up only 6 months ago, and it makes me sick to my stomach that people are already writing off the season before Christmas. That makes as much sense as leaving the ground 30 minutes into the match.

ray northstander
05/12/2012 at 08:23

Wasn't Rodgers on the football staff then, Ray?

It's extraordinary how you claim to have inside club knowledge in all your ramblings. Now that is undiluted ego.

So you don't think that the board have any input on club policy or budgets? Do you believe that BM signs who he fancies and put's it on his RFC credit card? Tell me another!

Odd perspective on history, eh? Remind me, who claimed that JM sacked Maurice Evans. Very weak and just plain wrong (again!). Time and again you're memory fails you, or perhaps you make it up and hope it won't be noticed. Or maybe you're a somewhat less than gifted individual.

Opinion is just that, but factual errors are your speciality. Three corkers in one week! Well done, er, 'bruv'.

Tell me, would you like someone to point out the players for you, as you've clearly demonstrated a novices inability to identify players. Still not even attempted to justify your inaccurate assertion that HRK played on the left on Saturday, then? This clearly means you didn't attend/watch the game or aren't bright enough to follow the action.

No more insults aimed at the job Alan Pardew did at RFC? Uncalled for and unworthy of a so called football fan.

No need to come over all unnecassarily Violet Elizabeth at the end.

Still, how can you formulate opinions when you can't even identify the players?

Carry on Serfing that wave of ignorance, you know it suits you.

Michael Duberry's Defensive Coach
04/12/2012 at 20:33

It was Rogers who leaked the Tommy Smith thing originally.

Regarding the "pro's" involved, I was referring to the football staff, because even on planet MDDC, you don't actually think that the Glasers have any input into SAF's tactics, team selection, etc, do you?

You sure have some EGO. Not everything I contribute here is solely directed at you.

I'd love to know what has politics got to do with any of this, but there again, Planet MDDC is a very odd place with a selective perspective on its history.

I totally agree with you about something, though. Cults are odd things. Trouble is, you're making yourself look a right cult.

Laters, bruv

ray northstander
04/12/2012 at 18:51

As opposed to the 'don't know their facts' and can't tell the difference between McAnuff and HRK, or Smee and JM, like yourself? Now that is pitiful ignorance on a grand scale. If you don't recognise the players in your own team, then it's a struggle to take you entirely seriously.

The way you talk on the clubs behalf and for 'some of us' is slightly sinister. What are you, in a cult?

That's right, football is run by professionals who've been in the game their entire working life. AZ's been in pro football his entire working life, has he? Wow! You're full of surprises. Mike Lewis was in it a fair proportion of his working life. Be happy to have him back, would you?

RFC never do their work through the media. You've forgotten BR's pursuit of Tommy Smith? That was probably before your time, though.

I'm assuming you don't vote as you haven't worked in politics all your life?

Personally I'd never criticise Pardew for the job he did here. He helped to rescue this club after the Tommy Burns regime. If you think he's a 'nerd' and an 'idiot', your words, then that's entirely a matter for you.

Can you point out where I've stated that BM should be sacked? Not me, I'm afraid (sorry to disappoint).

Are you asking for an invite to tea? You're welcome, but bring some wine, at least. 'Little terace' house? You're stalking the wrong bloke, Captain.

'Serf's up, Ray, dude'

Michael Duberry's Defensive Coach
04/12/2012 at 15:00

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