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Hazel Kent: “The majority of people with a weight problem are not in denial and would love to be able to afford to go to the gym after work etc, but the cost prohibits them from going.
Hazel Kent: “The majority of people with a weight problem are not in denial and would love to be able to afford to go to the gym after work etc, but the cost prohibits them from going."
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What Does Bracknell Think: Should overweight benefit claimants lose out if they refuse to exercise?

By Jennie Slevin
January 16, 2013

This week we asked our panel what they think of the news that overweight benefit claimants may lose out if they refuse to exercise.

Doctors who prescribe gym membership for the obese will be able to keep track of how hard they’re working by an ‘Oyster card’-style system, a scheme that has aready been adopted by several local authorities.

Winkfield artist and author Jonathan Greenyer: “Being overweight is not the key problem that keeps unemployed people from getting a job, it may be a minor side effect or completely irrelevant. This is very patronising behaviour and a pressure that the unemployed could well do without.”

Hazel Kent, of Bracknell Market cafe: “This scheme has been around for years. My GP used to do me referrals to the gym over 12 years ago, so why this is billed as something new is beyond me.

“The majority of people with a weight problem are not in denial and would love to be able to afford to go to the gym after work etc, but the cost prohibits them from going. The GP scheme only covered off peak times, which was useless for working people. The only way to get people to exercise is to bring the price of the activities down. To go to the gym three times a week would cost more than £21 for a member.”

Caroline Allain, from Forest Park: “I can’t really see too much of an issue with the theory behind this, except that there are other ways to exercise than just at the gym, and is there going to be a minimum amount of exercise that is expected?

“Rather than just being told to go, they need to be given specific exercises, instructions, and have someone on hand that they can feel comfortable about asking for help at any time they need it.”

Peter Smith of The Better Business Alliance: “I like the idea of enabling doctors to prescribe gym membership to help people to lose weight.

“Making their benefits dependent on doing so, however may be taking things a bit too far. Surely everyone should be encouraged to exercise and perhaps it should become an automatic right, similar to a bus pass as soon as people hit 60?”

Ed Glasson, of Defend Our Community Services (DOCS) group, said: “Yet another bum idea from yet another right-wing ‘think tank’. And a very handy way of diverting attention from what we should be asking. Namely, why is it we can no longer provide the kind of first class universal health care, regardless of girth, that we’ve all enjoyed through good times and bad for the past 62 years?

“Sure, we should all aim to be fit. But, actually, there’s no very clear correlation between obesity and class or income. In fact, over recent times, the lowest obesity rates have been recorded among the poorest 20 per cent of working age men and the wealthiest 20 per cent of working age women. Below average earners are three times more likely to develop a long-term illness or disability in middle age than high earners.”

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   I don't think I do cupcake. Although I would be cautious about suggesting MOST corporations don't pay tax - that simply isn't true.

I was merely pointing out that I asserted nothing - just passing on info that others had disseminated.
Maddie Vegas, Hanworth, Bracknell
16/01/2013 at 17:47 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   I think you missed my point.
MSmith
16/01/2013 at 17:13 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   @MSmith - not my assertion dearheart. A FACT that is supported by the latest update that states Monitor have confirmed they will now NOT be negotiating their review of contracts with a non payment of corporation tax clause. Also fact that private healthcare companies lobbied for such clauses.

I'm not a private healthcare company or HMRC - and nor would I want to be.

Keep up.
Maddie Vegas, Hanworth, Bracknell
16/01/2013 at 16:32 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Maddie Vegas: Your assertion that private healthcare companies not paying tax on NHS payments will result in lost revenue for HRMC is based on the incorrect assumption that they currently pay tax. Most of them don't (like most big corporations in the UK)

CorporateWatch.com have a report here: http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/download.php?id=128
MSmith
16/01/2013 at 15:58 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   THis debate has been going on for several years in one form or another.

In 2007 Patricia Hewitt, the then Labour Health Secretary, said that it was "perfectly legitimate" for NHS trusts to refuse some treatments to heavy smokers or patients who are obese."

THis is just taking it a bit further.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550084/Hewitt-NHS-ban-on-fat-people-legitimate.html
Sandyandy, Warfield
16/01/2013 at 15:36 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   I think the government should stop victimising benefit claimants by tarring them all with a tiny minority of cases. Judging by the comments you get on websites like the Daily Mail, it's a strategy that's working.
Genial Harry Grout, Fleet
16/01/2013 at 15:23 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Also worth considering a visit to 38 Degrees for the campaign to publicise those MP's who will benefit from wider privatisation in the NHS.

Given Phillip Lee's keeness to erect a his fantasy hospital on the M4 (even though he now says he not wedded to the idea of it being in that location), and his links with private healthcare providers, it could make for interesting reading.

http://38degrees.uservoice.com/forums/189307-campaign-ideas-2013/suggestions/3524805-publicise-the-names-of-those-politicians-who-would
Maddie Vegas, Hanworth, Bracknell
16/01/2013 at 14:21 Offensive or Inappropriate?
   Such moves are propaganda designed to make the wider public link weight issues with being workshy - that way the government helps to demonise those who are on benefits as layabout slobs who stuff their faces, smoke tabs, knock out feral children every 9 months, get smashed on cheap booze and decline the opportunity to work lest they miss Jeremy Kyle.

Much in the same way that Phillip Lee - our caring, sharing man-of-his-word MP - attempted a similar narrative before Christmas by saying people with 'lifestyle' health problems should pay for their own medical care.

Meanwhile this Tory led government hope you won't read the news:

"Private health companies taking up NHS contracts are lobbying hard for special new tax dodges....that’s what a new government review of competition in the NHS is considering.

Private health companies are lobbying Monitor, the government body in charge of the review. They want to be exempt from paying taxes like corporation tax on the profits they make from taking over NHS contracts. If they’re successful, millions could be lost in tax revenue and NHS contracts will be even more profitable for private health companies."

38degrees.org.uk
Maddie Vegas, Hanworth, Bracknell
16/01/2013 at 14:16 Offensive or Inappropriate?
 
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